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Kratom to ween off of 1mg habit

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 9:34 am
by Doggo31
Hi all,

I’m just looking for a straight answer. I have weened down to 1mg, maybe a little less.

I havent taken a sub since last Thursday and have been supplementing with small amounts of Kratom to get through the rough patches.

My question is simple, can this work? If I only Do kratom for a week or so is it going to cause withdrawal symptoms?

My ONLY desire is to be rid of anything in my body, subs, kratom, anything ay all and I’m trying to do this as painlessly as possible because I work full time and have people that depend on me.

Re: Kratom to ween off of 1mg habit

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 4:11 pm
by docm2
Kratom has activity at the MU receptor. You are merely postponing the withdrawal.
It is tough to taper with Kratom as dose is not dependent on how much product you are using do to variances in growing and production.
Kratom has various effects depending on dose, a landmine for folks that are dealing with addiction.

Re: Kratom to ween off of 1mg habit

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2020 11:01 am
by DaveK
Thank you for your input on kratom. It is something that I have been considering and I really can't find a whole lot of information about it. Have you tried kratom ?

Re: Kratom to ween off of 1mg habit

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2020 11:14 am
by Doggo31
So my plan is to use it for about a week while the sub gets out of my system and to gradually ween from the Kratom - which I’ve done before. My understanding is that in order for it to have any considerable withdrawal effects, it must be used in high doses.

I am 6 days off now, and definitely feeling some of the effects of the sub leaving, but the kratom had helped tremendously.

I am Going to dose accordingly with where my sub W/D’s are and gradually reduce the kratom.

I really cannot see a problem with this method, if you are doing it for the right reasons.

Re: Kratom to ween off of 1mg habit

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2020 2:24 pm
by jonathanm1978
Doggo31 wrote:
Wed Sep 02, 2020 11:14 am
So my plan is to use it for about a week while the sub gets out of my system and to gradually ween from the Kratom - which I’ve done before. My understanding is that in order for it to have any considerable withdrawal effects, it must be used in high doses.

I am 6 days off now, and definitely feeling some of the effects of the sub leaving, but the kratom had helped tremendously.

I am Going to dose accordingly with where my sub W/D’s are and gradually reduce the kratom.

I really cannot see a problem with this method, if you are doing it for the right reasons.
While you may not see a problem with it, it does just kinda seem counter-intuitive. Especially with the risks and side effects involved.

Re: Kratom to ween off of 1mg habit

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:59 pm
by docm2
So my plan is to use it for about a week while the sub gets out of my system and to gradually ween from the Kratom - which I’ve done before. My understanding is that in order for it to have any considerable withdrawal effects, it must be used in high doses.

So what was your intent with the first post, trolling?
Why are you having to do this again? Relapse, why didn't it work the first time.
Maybe I am reading to much into this, if so, I am sorry but the tone from your first post to the latest is quite different.

Re: Kratom to ween off of 1mg habit

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2020 5:15 pm
by jonathanm1978
Doggo31 wrote:
Wed Sep 02, 2020 11:14 am
So my plan is to use it for about a week
And just going by your own statements, you said you want to use it for about a week...
Doggo31 wrote:
Wed Sep 02, 2020 11:15 am
gradually ween from the Kratom
but also ween down gradually. That's going to be more than a week, there's no beating around the bush and trying to kid yourself about it.

Re: Kratom to ween off of 1mg habit

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 6:57 am
by Doggo31
No not trolling at all, a little confused as to where you’re seeing that type of post.

It will most likely take longer than a week but my plan is the same.

I did not relapse, I was taking suboxone for the wrong reasons, energy mostly, but then my body began to reject it and so did I because I’m tired of feeling the way I do off of even 2 mg. So I want Nothing more than to be off of them now.

Today is day 7 without subs, I took Kratom yesterday morning and afternoon, and managed to get a full night sleep without an evening dose, which I’d used on previpus days. I did wake up with restless legs and used a bit this morning to get rid of those. This is going to be a gradual ween as I do Not like kratom but it’s better than w/d.

Just writing my experience.

Not everyone trying to drop the subs has an ulterior motive and some of us are capable but do not what to deal with the unpleasant effects.

Once the restless legs ease up, I will Decrease even more.

Re: Kratom to ween off of 1mg habit

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:42 am
by Rdphish73
Hey. I'm only speaking for me....but I developed a tremendous full on addiction to Kratom. I was sold the idea that Kratom was natural and harmless. For me, it was every bit as worse as the other opiates I was using. Be careful. Good luck.

Re: Kratom to ween off of 1mg habit

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 5:20 pm
by rule62
Thank you for that clarification. So many people thinks it's the answer to addiction w/o doing their research. We've been talking about here for years.

Re: Kratom to ween off of 1mg habit

Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2020 12:49 pm
by docm2
Kratom was a topic at a recent weekly conference call. We all struggle with how to treat it. Even though it has MU receptor activity we are getting mixed results when trying to detox/treat with buprenorphine. Clonidine doesn't seem to be as helpful either. It is a growing problem in our area.
RDPhish - did you get any assistance, was it helpful? Are you pursuing sobriety now?