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Kratom Therapy??

Post by amber4.14.11 » Sun Jan 01, 2012 2:49 pm

KRATOM THERAPY

Im not sure if I even spelled it right, but Im hearing alot about this herb, or some call it a supplement, they are selling it at the cigarette store here now, and thats what made me want to post here about it.

I remember hearing about kratom before, and I did do some reading about it online, but Im still not understanding if its addictive or not. some people say it is, and some people say you get sick as hell if you take too much, therefore you aren't able to take enough to get addicted......

Im happy with my suboxone therapy, and seeing my addiction therapist.......but Ive heard more than one person talk about this stuff that I know personally, but I didnt really have much to say one way or another, becuase Im not sure whats true or what isn't.....

so if anyone has personal experience, or know of link that explains it,,, Im just looking for a little more info than what I know already....... and this is what Ive been told, correct me if Im wrong

its an herb or supplement, so its not addictive, and its legal just not FDA approved

people use it for opiate withdrawl/dependence

you can eat it, smoke it or put it in your coffee

So there ya go. One of my friends is 'taking' it, shes not a close friend, our kids play together. and never thought much of it after she told me about it, until I saw it on the counter the other day being sold as insence,,,,
the package states 'not for human consumption'
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Kratom Therapy

Post by KratomTherapy » Sun Jan 01, 2012 10:59 pm

Hello!

Kratom is a miracle herb. There is so much junk on the internet of people calling Kratom a legal high and saying not for human consumption. This destroys the legitimacy of our herb and endangers it when classified as such.

Kratom works for SO MANY people for pain, to get off opiates, and to get off methadone, suboxone etc.

It is absolutely a miracle and cannot be underestimated. SO MANY people always say they wish they would have known about Kratom so long ago when trying to kick pills, or getting off methadone, suboxone etc. It is also only as addictive as caffiene, so stopping Kratom is a piece of cake. It TRULY helps people kick opiates.

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Post by amber4.14.11 » Sun Jan 01, 2012 11:49 pm

thankyou so much for legitimate information......
I'll be checking the website out
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Post by Stargazer » Wed Jan 04, 2012 10:47 pm

o.k. I found Kratom @ errowid as I was looking up Khat, the leaf-twigs North African and Mid East people chew, to past the time with a smile on their faces. However the interesting read about Kratom, was the survey done in Thailand, where studies were done on Kratom addicts. Thailand has since prohibited it's cultivation.
Addicts of kratom are able to work all day long in the hot sun with out complaint, and enjoy to be mostly by themselves. They dont like rain-water. WD from kratom sounds almost as uncomfortable as opiate withdrawal, and some kratom addicts are also addicted to opium.
On that, one can see how it is used as a drug to delay WD, because it acts like an opiate. So an addict, effectively, trades one for the other,- drugs that feel the same do the same. I've never rid myself from a habit with out paying one way or another, pain wise.
Kratoms no more a miracle, than heroin was for morphine, some addicts have a harder time quitting kratom than they do morphine. For me if I had access to it, I'm pretty sure it would'nt take long for me to have a Kratom problem. Why? Because I'm an addict. I'll stick to the chain with-out the ball. Thanks.

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Post by tearj3rker » Wed Jan 04, 2012 11:50 pm

KratomTherapy wrote:It is absolutely a miracle and cannot be underestimated.
Seriously, be wary when people say something is a "miracle".

There are no shortcuts / magic bullets in this gig. Anyone who says otherwise has a vested interest, or is plain stupid.

People who spam the forum are usually banned. Breezy_ann and I don't have the permissions to deactivate people so it'll have to wait.

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Post by amber4.14.11 » Thu Jan 05, 2012 12:16 am

Yeah, I went to the site listed, but it was like sales.....

Im looking for like, facts I guess from somewhere 'reputable'
though I know thats hard to find on the web.

Im not gonna stop taking my suboxone and order up a shitload of kratom or anything, thats for damn sure.

EVERYTHING Ive heard so far about it
is either

Its a miracle Its fabulous
OR

Its as bad as OPIUM, w/ds are worse than methadone DT's

So thats why I posted on here, maybe someone has had personal experience. Though I DO VERY much appreciate the posts tear left and the one before that abou the study and how they BANNED the cultivation of kratom afterward.
I find that interesting, to say the LEAST
If it was like caffiene, why would they ban it?????????????

anyways, thanks
and Im still looking for info
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Post by Romeo » Thu Jan 05, 2012 1:02 am

I've seen several people, from this very site, swear by Kratom for helping them kick Suboxone, only to come back a few weeks or months later, but now they were trying to kick Kratom and they were having a HELL of a time doing it.

I wouldn't touch Kratom with a ten foot pole. For one, you never REALLY know what's in that damn bottle of Kratom you just bought. To the best of my knowledge, the "controls" that are in place regarding what's actually in that bottle of Kratom are very lax because it's sold as an herb?? I may be wrong about this, though?

I completey agree with what Stargazer and Tear said as well.

Amber, here's a link to Wikipedia and their take on Kratom, I've found it to be very informative.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kratom

BTW, in the article, it talks about mu, delta and kappa receptors.....those are all opiate receptors....to the best of my knowledge. Anything that's binding to those receptors and stimulating them is, at the very least, gonna cause dependence if taken long enough or cause straight up addiction.
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Post by Ironic » Thu Jan 05, 2012 1:11 am

I would go take a look at Opiophile for this, they've got good info about using kratom to combat withdrawal and PAWS

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Post by johnboy » Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:52 am

wow' what the F". first" one person say's , kratom is the best!! then stop taking it and go subotex for 2 months . kratom is legal and ibogaine is not? and kratom is all ready getting the shit kicked out of it. ibogaine did a lot better. :lol: :lol:

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Post by hatmaker510 » Thu Jan 05, 2012 5:11 am

There was one person from this site a while back who used Kratom to help with his sub withdrawals. He came back here to update us when he went back on suboxone. He got hooked on the Kratom and ended up back in active addiction. Unfortunately, I don't recall this member's name, but I suppose a comprehensive search of the forum might lead you to it.

Also, here in Michigan, most of the "other" drugs like Kratom, which are catching on, are also catching the eye of law enforcement and legislators and are either already illegal or there's a bill that's been introduced. I'm pretty sure other states are doing the same thing. If people have found a legal way to get high, then the gov't is not far behind in making a law to prevent it. After all, we're in the era of the "war on drugs".
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Post by Stargazer » Thu Jan 05, 2012 7:18 am

So then I went to the drugs forum and read the old "drewcil's' kratom addiction thread" sort of reminded me of the crazy time I had getting off methadone, ouch!.

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Post by EddieAMG313 » Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:27 am

I feel that kratom does help alot and it feels like miracle if you have ever experienced suboxone withdrawl wich i still am having 50 days later after weening my self off to 2 MG a day one thing i am happy for is i can eat i can sleep and pass the day no problem with a little perscribed gonja and 4-6 grams of kratom in capsule form a day....i can not say if kratom has withdrawl or not, because i still have yet to experience them all i know is it makes every thing better when you withdrawl i have used it for opiate withdrawl also and it has helped i keep saying no to suboxone and dont want nothing to do anything with it is very grimey and evil to get of off. kratom takes all that away. thank god. i just pray it will be easy to come off of. if some one knows some info on that please let me know. and does any one know how long do suboxone withdrawls last....i feel them every day when i wake up still get runny eyes and uncomfortable in every single way when i wake up till i take some kratom. if any thing should be banned is suboxone omg how much more longer of this misrable withdrawl do i gotta take. SMH

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Post by will430 » Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:00 pm

I personally like kratom. And have debated using it instead of a synthetic man made drug. There is a good vendor that i have ordered from twice last year. [Edit: Will, I deleted the website because it's too close to being a link to a product. If anyone wants to know the website that Will uses, please PM him. Thanks! -Amy-Work-In-Progress]
I used it in between w/d kinda like how people use subs and their DOC. It really dose a hell of a job taking away withdraw. Now as far as going from something as strong as bupe. You prob. won't get a buzz of it. BUT it will stop 90% of sub withdraw dead in it's tracks.
I actually am thinking about ordering some. Seeing this thread reminded me of it again. To me.. It's nowhere near as strong as suboxone. And i didn't get much of a buzz of it after being on subs.
I agree pot and kratom sound like a amazing tag team against sub w/d. I recently tried dropping 2/3rd of my sub dose and experienced up back pain that was rough. I am now determined to get off this stuff. Don't knock it if you haven't tried it. I think it's a better bet then subs, honestly.

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Knowledgeable post, thanks for sharing it.

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Post by Amy-Work In Progress » Thu Jul 04, 2013 1:21 pm

webcreations has already been warned to take the website link off his profile and signature. Don't follow it. It leads to a cialis website.

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Post by Mike73 » Thu Nov 14, 2013 3:28 pm

Amber... I just wanted to tell you about my personal experience with Kratom and where I get it from. I have been using Kratom EVERY day, ONCE a day, About 5-7 grams. for 2 months.. I order the 1200 miligram caps I take 5 each night after dinner. I bought 60 pills from Kratom therapy for $47 and they arrived 2 days later from California. Not to bad considering I spent $6 for shipping. They come in 2 pill bottles with 30 each. there are different types. I order the MOST opiate like. I took 3 on a full stomach. It took 1 hr for the affects to really kick in. At first it started slow.. Then It kicked in. The feeling at first was that of an opiate without the euphoria. All my limbs where numb and I had a great feeling of well being. I felt hot as well. Please note NOT once has my stomach even remotely felt weak or nausiated. The affects lasted for about 5 hours and into the morning. Fast forward to now. I buy from the same place and I bought less opiate like and more euphoric like and I LOVE it. It does not give you that hangover in the morning like an opiate. and makes you feel good the next day, it does not make you sleepy while on it. Its like complete relaxation and an alert mind. Pretty cool if I am to be honest. I have used opiates and love them as well. But I know I cant get too hooked up on them for all the same reasons that everyone else has. I would have to say that its like taking a mild Vicodin with a kick. Yes you can become addicted. I am addicted to redbull as well. They are legal. I f i stopped drinking redbull I would be a bitch to deal with. See the thing is.. If you are going to get addicted to something... Make sure you get addicted to something that you can wean yourself off of it slowly. Simply put...Kratom is LEGAL and Very Available and CHEAP!! Did I mention CHEAP. I can Buy 120 Pills for $80 and Keep having fun Every night for as long as I want with Zero Side affects and irritability that the opiates have. I DO NOT WORK FOR A SELLER AND AM NOT TRYING TO GET YOU TO BUY AT ANY ONE SPOT. However I have Bought from Kratom Therapy. my experience with them is very proffesional,on time EVERY time and its real!! Good Luck and Have fun. MP

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Post by Bruch_09 » Wed Mar 19, 2014 3:37 am

Kratom is a legitimate and miracle herb that has innumerable uses. At one time, it is used to cure allergy, cold and fever and other time, it is widely used in bodybuilding practices.

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Post by cjmilladoo » Thu Apr 09, 2015 1:40 pm

good lord all this talk is exactly what people used to say about subs....as long as you are honest with yourself like that last person who was like, yeah im addicted to it just like redbull, then hey whatever floats your boat but be sure you are clear on the fact that you are addicted to something that is changing your brain chemistry at the receptor level and that there will be a price to pay inside your brain when that stops say if the government decides to ban it....good luck yall but be careful....if you are trying to come off subs then it is gonna hurt for awhile but cheating it with another drug isn't gonna make that pain go away, you will have to face it somehow, someday.

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Post by rob500 » Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:00 pm

I tapered down to 0.5 mg a day by using 0.25mg twice a day then started using kratom.
Unfortunately once I stopped using kratom withdrawals came back and it required more suboxone than when I started.
It was just like any other opiate,tolerance went up,withdrawals without it,and it’s very inconsistent.

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Post by rule62 » Sat Mar 07, 2020 10:55 am

Thanks Rob, that's what we've been saying for years.
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