My story of detoxing off bupe in jail.

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My story of detoxing off bupe in jail.

Post by chaoskitten » Sun Jul 27, 2014 11:53 am

I posted my story (not exactly this, but similar) as a reply to another thread. I figured it might help some of you who are facing jail time. It's a harsh world, and our justice system is even more harsh. I hope this story will help someone.

I was unfairly jailed without bond a few years ago. I was abused, and was supposed to testify against my ex. I was going to, but my car broke down. I called the court, I called everyone I knew, I called the court again. They said "it's ok, the judge will understand". Nope. I was arrested a week later. The cop said I was the nicest/most compliant person he had ever arrested (haha). But little did I know, I wouldn't get out that day. Nor would i be offered bond at all! (It shocked the cop who arrested me too!)

"On the street" (that's what the girls in jail called life out of jail) I was prescribed suboxone 16mg, tramadol 50mg 4-5x a day, ibuprofen 800mg 3x day, and klonopin 1mg 2x day. They told me clearly when I went in: "We give NO scheduled drugs in here. You are sober while in here." I explained my situation, how I wasn't supposed to be in here, and I'm legally prescribed 2 scheduled and 2 not scheduled drug. Jail nurse GAVE NO SHITS! They wouldn't even give me my tramadol or ibuprofen. They said if I wanted to see the jail doctor it would cost me some crazy amount and they couldn't guarantee I would get any of my medications back. Oh, and the waiting period was nearly a month. I didn't figure I'd be there nearly that long, so I sucked it up.

For withdrawal they give you a cocktail of drugs. It's the same no matter what the drug: alcohol, benzos, opiates, uppers, downers, etc! This cocktail: Librium (benzo,helps anxiety, shakes), Phenergan (nausea), and Immodium(shits). Depending on your habit they give this mix for 3-7 days. Unfortunately for me (and the other girls detoxing off subs) they started giving me the mix the second day of incarceration (days before the sickness started).They said if I didn't take it they would remove the cocktail from my drug list, and I would never get it again. So I took it. I slept nearly all day, every day, for the 3-4 days they gave me the cocktail. I didn't shit for 4 or 5 days due to the immodium. Then on the 6th day I was there (no longer given the cocktail) the sickness hit me all at once. It was hell.
I was sick as a dog for what felt like forever. I begged and begged to get the cocktail back, but they said I'd have to talk to the doctor (a month wait). I asked "please, please, just give me some immodium and ibuprofen". They said "fill out this form, 1 for your CO, 1 for the nurse, 1 for the doctor. It'll take 3 to 7 days to process, then you may or may not get it." It was torture. A girl befriended me. Saw my suffering and told me she could help. She had stock piled (by "cheeking") immodium and ibuprofen and her librium (which she got daily). She took care of me,and it made things a hell of a lot better. I paid her in food and soda.
I sat in jail for nearly a month before I could get a bond hearing. At the bond hearing my lawyer pointed out that I was the victim, the witness, not the abuser. The judge let me go and apologized for the confusion. I was nearly better when I got out. I didn't use anything for weeks. Then I found the rest of my bottle of suboxone and figured "why the hell not, I'll feel real good"... and relapsed. Should have never started taking it again. Ohh well.

It was so sad seeing so many girls detox. Methadone was the worst. Those girls would get 4 days in and start getting violently ill. The jail didn't know (or maybe just didn't care) how to take care of people on long acting drugs (whose detox starts days and days after quitting). Only a few girls in jail got an exception to the no narcotics rule. A pregnant woman was escorted outside of jail weekly to see a subutex doctor. A very very mentally unstable girl got benzos. And a very nice older lady got tabs (but she had legitimate pain, and it took her nearly 6 months of going to the jail dr to get them). I'm sure there were a few more. In jail you don't let people know you have access to that stuff. You will get stalked, shanked, etc.

I knew of one girl who got suboxone strips mailed to her. They didn't read the mail before giving it. They would open the letter at the end of the envelope and shake it. If powder, weapons (razor), drugs, etc came out we would get LOCKED DOWN (not allowed to leave beds). So this girl had figured out a way around this. She had her boyfriend lick the envelope, stick the strip on the adhesive, and seal it like usual. When she got her mail she would rip around the strip and put the strip (paper still attached) under her tongue. Pretty ingenious!

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Post by johnny_ikon » Sun Jul 27, 2014 12:14 pm

Wow, terrible story. Glad you got through it.

I was in jail for a month several years ago (awaiting trial), carrying a heroin habit plus a dependency on about 80 ml/dy of Methadone.

By day 3 or 4, the jail had contacted my addiction doc, and got me set up on 30 ml/day of Methadone (the limit for people starting or restarting Methadone, under Ontario medical guidelines). I wish I had stayed at 30, rather than go back up to 80 when I got out, but then again, I might have relapsed on gone right back to active addiction. Instead, I went straight from jail to a rehab center, and -- expect for a couple early slips -- haven't touched heroin or cocaine since.

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Post by revsub » Sun Aug 17, 2014 11:35 am

But wouldn't methadone use still be considered active addiction? I was on methadone for about 10 years and it got me pretty loaded especially if I mixed it with alcohol & benzos. I still was actively looking for more drugs and being an addict. When I got on suboxone, it was TOTALLY different. I never once got high, and never once thought about using opiates. I have even FORGOTTEN to take my suboxone some days, which would never ever happened to me on methadone. Maybe it's just me, but I see a vast difference between methadone and subutex/suboxone. Have you tried suboxone?

johnny_ikon wrote:Wow, terrible story. Glad you got through it.

I was in jail for a month several years ago (awaiting trial), carrying a heroin habit plus a dependency on about 80 ml/dy of Methadone.

By day 3 or 4, the jail had contacted my addiction doc, and got me set up on 30 ml/day of Methadone (the limit for people starting or restarting Methadone, under Ontario medical guidelines). I wish I had stayed at 30, rather than go back up to 80 when I got out, but then again, I might have relapsed on gone right back to active addiction. Instead, I went straight from jail to a rehab center, and -- expect for a couple early slips -- haven't touched heroin or cocaine since.

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Post by TinaRinehart » Wed Jan 14, 2015 10:22 pm

That is really a horrible thing to do to someone. Jail is scary enough, but coming off meds in jail is pure inhumane. I'm so sorry you had to go through that. Maybe you would be a good person to try and help people in jail. Just a thought

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Post by rule62 » Thu Jan 15, 2015 8:37 pm

Reading posts like yours makes my blood boil. What ever happened to our kind, give everyone what they need, like free cell phones, food stamps, etc. society? But if you're in jail you must be some kind of parasite and are treated accordingly. Where is the human compassion and just plain common sense? In my naive thinking, I believe that one day soon they will do what's right for our fellow human beings on meds that require daily dosing. They are playing God and it's just not right.

Anyone have any ideas on who to write to get some action taken about this? It is a disgrace as a society who is supposed to help those in need.

Sorry for the rant, I needed to vent that out.

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Post by donh » Fri Jan 16, 2015 9:21 pm

This is a real eye opening story for many. Of course every story has two sides but even if, for sake of argument, half of the items in this story are true it's really sad. A good attorney might be able to extract some relief based on the damages suffered. Sadly these type of mistakes happen more than many would ever think.

As far as free cell phones and food stamps, at least when provided for years on end, are not doing the USA any more good than the legal system did for chaos kitten.

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Post by NurseMiel » Thu Aug 27, 2015 9:54 pm

donh wrote:This is a real eye opening story for many. Of course every story has two sides but even if, for sake of argument, half of the items in this story are true it's really sad. A good attorney might be able to extract some relief based on the damages suffered. Sadly these type of mistakes happen more than many would ever think.

As far as free cell phones and food stamps, at least when provided for years on end, are not doing the USA any more good than the legal system did for chaos kitten.
That was my first thought at the end of this thread. No where does it say you sued for damages. That should be very easy if they have you remanded to jail for 30 days without any cause. You didn't even conclude with the part where your significant other gets picked up like he was supposed to...?
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Post by Amy-Work In Progress » Thu Aug 27, 2015 10:53 pm

It sounds like the OP was in an abusive situation to start with. For her to pursue a lawsuit might have been beyond what she was capable of at the time. To start a lawsuit against a local jurisdiction would require either the interest of an attorney or an amount of money that she may not have had.


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Post by Leigh83 » Mon Jul 17, 2017 2:22 am

I'm so sorry you had to go through this they are horrible treat all of us like we are less than
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Post by Leigh83 » Mon Jul 17, 2017 2:28 am

I also went through a similar experience about 8 years ago now and it was hell. I live in Massachusetts and now I have been on subutex for pain management for almost 12 years due to childbirth and multiple reconstructive surgeries and I was put in jail for violation of probation and all I got was pepto Tylenol and something called a klonopin taper because I have panic disorder and I have been on anxiety medication for seventeen years now luckily I don't remember the first two weeks of being there because the klonopin taper was way more than I was used to taking but after that was done somewhere around two weeks into my stay there it was a living hell if I had the strength I would have found a way to kill myself without a doubt the pain the sickness of throwing up and shitting non stop not being able to sleep if you go to medical they put you in an observation type room with twelve women and one toilet with no privacy at all it was three months of torture I got out and have since completed probation got all four of my kids back my oldest is going to college in the fall I had him at 15 "but none of my success is in thanks to them you can have the president himself tell the jail you need your medication your shit out of luck the only good times come of it is that I try to be a good law abiding citizen because I really don't think I could withstand that torture again

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Post by jonathanm1978 » Mon Jul 17, 2017 6:46 am

Before I went down the oxycontin landslide that I went on, I had to DT in jail off of hydrocodone. It was mostly norco 10s, lortab 7.5 and lortab 10s. I was in for 23 days...and geez...
It was probably 4-5 days of sneezing/shits/feeling like crap...
Day 2 I was placed in the trustee trailer...and that gave me a little better accommodation than a jail cell..but it was still awful. I shouldn't have ever went back to the stash of norco I had when I was finally released..but that first night at home after I got out of jail, I started drinking (hard liquor..i think tequila)...then reached for that stash of 30 norco 10s that I had when I got arrested. The pills were luckily not on me when I was hooked up...they were at home, hidden away. So when I got out, the pills were still waiting on me to get here.
and the addiction demon was strong... "just a couple while I'm drinking..that's it!"..
Then next morning..."just a couple to get rid of hangover headache..that's it"...
And it snowballed..back to active addiction right away!
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Post by jennjenn » Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:07 am

I went through withdrawal in jail several times unfortunately. Some stays weren't near as long as others. The only thing that particular jail offers for withdrawal is vistaril, which acts as an antihistamine. Evidently that's used for withdrawal sometimes I guess. I didn't even get an ibuprofen with it, if u got a headache in that jail, good luck begging for an ibuprofen. It was miserable and the thing nightmares are made of. I'll never ever forget those dark days as long as I live. There's no pillows, and I definitely didn't have the luxury of my own toilet, so I got to share every bathroom break with everyone with only a partial concrete wall as a buffer. There were several ladies who took shower after shower to help with their body aches.

The Vistaril did help a little bit but not nearly enough. I was coming off morphine and another time coming off the highest tolerance I'd ever gotten to of oxycodone. I remember when new inmates would come walking in and some of them were high because they'd just gotten arrested, it's pretty difficult to be sick as a dog and look over and see someone nodding out because they're feeling pretty darn good at the moment. Then again, I never had to see it very long because they'd come down and be as miserable as the rest of us who were addicts.

I remember every person I talked to during those stays in jail were addicts. I don't remember talking to one person who wasn't in jail at the times I was who wasn't in there because of something they'd done because of their addiction. That says a lot. I'm sure there are jails that are much more accommodating to addicts going through withdrawal, but not nearly enough.
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Post by Amy-Work In Progress » Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:54 am

It doesn't make sense to me that the Dept. of Corrections in a state can't partner with state run addiction services!

I did find an article about MAT being used in Rhode Island jails:

https://www.themarshallproject.org/2017 ... .8WyGPNGu6

The question is, do the people who run correction facilities really want to help addicts in jail, or are they more interested in punishing them?

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Post by jennjenn » Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:27 am

I don't believe, in my particular area, they're interested in helping an addict in withdrawal. I believe they have that mindset that we did it to ourselves. I think they're somewhat aggravated by someone needing something extra like medication. In that jail, u have to beg for an ibuprofen! If a woman is having her time of the month, she has to beg for an Advil. It just irritates me, I'm traumatized for life I think because of those memories lol.

Amy I think that the jail I was in a few times, doesn't care at all about addicts withdrawing in jail unfortunately. I do believe that some are very good with addicts entering jail and withdrawing, I heard some in Florida are very good about helping inmates. Unfortunately these small town jails who's being run by judgmental buttheads, I'm not sure they'll change anytime soon. It's crazy right? That there's still places like that now? They still have that old school way of thinking I guess.
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Post by Dillycat » Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:26 pm

Wow! Reading all these stories about detoxing in jail makes me feel like a bigger wimp and more ashamed than I already did. I was arrested once for DUI from alcohol. I was only in there 7 hours. I was pretty drunk when I arrived, but just beginning to feel jittery when they called my name. I had to wait in the parking lot only an hour. A guy was there waiting for his girl to get out. I don’t even smoke but bummed a cigarette off him to take the edge off. It worked somewhat. When it starts getting bad for me this time (trying to get through 24 hours for Sub induction), I will definitely remember these stories and remind myself that I’m at home with a bathtub, nice mattress, and nice fluffy pillows.
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Post by heyjessiker » Sat Sep 29, 2018 7:38 pm

I have been off of suboxone for 32 days now and was just researching information when I came across this post. I too had a very similar situation. I live in the state of Maryland and received a DUI, Maryland has “ DUI court” to keep people accountable for their actions and keep jail population down from the MANY people who drink and drive. BAD IDEA- learned my lesson the hard way. Would never do it again. Anyways, you meet with a judge once a month for a year and the “hearings” are non-negotiable. My monthly hearing was canceled in November due to snow, and we were told we would get a new date within the week, no mention that the new date would be coming by email. I’m not a email junkie and so I missed my court date (unaware of course) and a bench warrant went out for me. I was arrested at 9 pm the first Saturday of December and my warrant specifically said “return to judge *****”, meaning go directly to jail and wait for said judge to see you. The arresting officers and the guards on duty at intake missed that little note and so I sat cuffed to a metal bench until 7 am the next morning when they realized I couldn’t see the commissioner for bail, I was supposed to be in jail. Beyond my DUI I never had any run-ins with the law before. When they told me I was going to JAIL I cried, begged and pleaded. There had to be a mistake. Nope. Now, said judge was away on his pre-holiday Vaca so they put me before another judge for possible bail or ROR. Nope again. This is “dui court business and we’ll wait for judge ***** to get back on the 24th to deal with you”. I was on 16 mg of suboxone, 10 mg Valium 2x day, Paxil and Adderall. The state of Maryland contracts its medical care out to private medical contractors so they themselves can not be sued for all the terrible, life threatening bull**** they allow to happen. I was put on Librium and Imodium for 10 days and then cut off. Not that the low doses they give you actually help. I started getting really sick right when i was cut off from the prison meds, and yes you can see a doctor but there is a month wait. On day 14 I started having odd muscle twitches and spasms which turned into full on seizures because I was taken off a Benzo WAY to quickly. They put me back on a small dose of Librium, no more seizures but still muscle spasms, diarrhea, flu symptoms, depression, panic attacks, insomnia, the whole freakin works. I spent my days/nights praying to just die. On top of it all the non-work release gen-pop ward doesn’t get heat, so I went through hell at 34 degrees, guard actually brought a thermometer in because she was concerned about the temperature. Not that anything changed.I was released right after New Years 5 years ago and I can honestly say that was beyond the worst experience of my life. I was treated like I was worth less than gum stuck to someone’s shoe. The other inmates were kind, gave me extra blankets they had, showed me how to make a hair tye out of your sock thread, lol and continued to support me the best they could. There seriously needs to be some changes regarding medical care in prisons!!

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Post by Amy-Work In Progress » Mon Oct 01, 2018 11:50 am

Your story is heartbreaking! Welcome to the forum though! Glad you are here.

It's strange that in the same place there can be such cruelty and such humanity. The jail staff wouldn't listen! But the women in there with you offered you such kindness and helped in the ways they could. That's heartening.

I think that people in power become used to that power very quickly. It seems like they forget what a privilege and duty it is to have so much power over another human being.

Like I said, we are glad to have you here and would love to hear more about you if you care to share!

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